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Review: G51JX-A1 Review

 Posted - 3/22/2010 3:40:24 AM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

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 Posted - 3/22/2010 3:51:16 AM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

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I couldn't wait until get back so installed that driver straight away -
great man -thanks!!!!!! Did try METRO 2033 -warning screen GONE !!!
I might done somethinf wrong but thous screenshots does not appear??? ( I've uploaded them and pasted into my reply but obviously something wrong) .If you  could instruct me step by step how to do it please (sorry for being a noob)

 Posted - 3/22/2010 3:16:56 PM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

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Hi, i have question on 3 audio output and input if they can be used on 5.1 sound.
Thanks
Sorry for my bad english.

 Posted - 3/22/2010 4:33:57 PM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

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Welcome level00 - In answer to your question: There are three ports, 1 Mic-In, 1 Line-In and 1 Headphone/Digital Output port. I checked in the Sound Settings it does have a Digital Output option - I don't have a Digital Reciever though so I can't actually test the output though unfortunately. According to this post, the port has a laser and should certainly support full digital 5.1 surround through that Mini-Jack port with 'MINI TOSLINK': Link

I have been using synthesized 5.1 Surround Sound via my Logitech X540's Matrix Mode option and it does sound quite good. Of course having actual 5.1 would be even better - the decoders or full 5.1 systems cost $100+ minimum and my X540s were only $50 so I'm not complaining . The supported formats stated in the settings are: DTS Audio, Dolby Digital along with Microsoft WMA Pro Audio that you set based on your decoder. The jack is stated as ATAPI Internal ATAPI Jack. Note also that this system has EAX Advanced HD 4.0 Audio support as well.

Glad it worked for you zzzmaverickzzz - No worries on the screenshots, I fixed the links for you - you just need to put the url tags around the link like so: (url)http://Your Image Here(/url) - if the imagse are under 500 pixels wide then do (img)http://Your Image Here(/img) instead and display them directrly. Just change the () brackets to square ones and you're done . Full sized ones though would make the forum hard to use for users with lower resolution screens so I try to keep larger images as links w/thumnails if possible.

7.4 is a nice Windows Experience Score for the HDD - Mine is just 5.9 - I can't directly compare the other values, but they do look good Not sure if it was worth the cost, but it looks like it definitely helps .

By the way, would you be able to boot your system and time it with a stop watch from the moment you press the Power button to when the Windows Desktop w/Icons appears? Then we can compare the boot time with my review and that'll help define just how good the boost from the SSD is .

PJPeter

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 Posted - 3/22/2010 5:17:23 PM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

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Thank you very much and I thought to put a single jacks into the output(as 1 Mic-In=surround speakers, 1 Line-In =center,subwoofer and 1 Headphone=front speakers). It like that?
Thanks

 Posted - 3/22/2010 5:29:59 PM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

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Hi level - No sorry - I wish in a way that the Mic In and Line In could become Center and Bass plugs to attach my X540s - but the 5.1 Output is Digital rather than Analog so that will not work.

You could get an external USB, Express Card or other similar Sound Card that does have those outputs though and attach that to the Laptop. Also, the HDMI output does carry both video and audio via the cable - that output is eight channels from what I've read if it follows the full HDMI spec - So you could attach that to an HDTV (Edit: if it passes through the 5.1 audio which it may not) or compatible digital decoder with HDMI input and then use analog output to the speakers from there -  but it all really depends what sort of setup you have and what equipment you have or are willing to invest in.

Sorry it's not as simple as you thought,

PJPeter


Last Edited By - PJPeter on 3/22/2010 5:35:38 PM

 Posted - 3/22/2010 6:08:12 PM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

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Hi Peter,
Here is screenshoot for you to observeLink
If you go to this link: -*-Windows-7-Ultimate-Tweaks-amp-Utilities-*
you'll find some interesting staff and that programm "Restart Time" I've used to see my system restart time.Than you can compare my resolt to yours.Thanks

Last Edited By - PJPeter on 3/22/2010 8:30:14 PM

 Posted - 3/22/2010 6:16:43 PM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

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Something wrong again.....doesn't show up the link - I'm useless doing that simple thing...
Peter if you go to my reply on page 3 (very last one -second link) - you will see OCZ Vertex Turbo write/read speed.
If you could correct the links in my previous reply -would be great so every one can see them .Thanks man

 Posted - 3/22/2010 8:51:01 PM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

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No problem at all - you only missed one step - it's square brackets [] instead of curved ones () - I gave the curved ones so that the forum would not detect the code and make them clickable links.

Also, so you know - you can edit your messages. Originally the option was just an odd graphic, but I changed it to be text to make it easier to identify - just click 'Edit Message' to edit - you can do it as many times as you like . So that way you can keep messing around with the tags until you get it just the way you want it .

I see you got the Restart Time from that second link - I'm installing it now myself .

Some of the tips there though are SSD specific and others I've seen/participated in debates about how useful they are and some don't actually have any effect. Some things, like disabling hibernation, I would not recommend at all - it's a very useful feature. And shutting down the HDDs when your computer is idle can help prolong HDD life - but this is for Hard Disk Drives rather than Solid State Drives - so I can agree with that for SSDs but not HDDs - so it's worth keeping that in mind for others using the guide.

It's still quite good though and useful to share - thanks - I will reply with my restart times shortly .

PJPeter


 Posted - 3/23/2010 1:15:00 AM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

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By the way maverick, I meant to add - I have not yet upgraded to the 205 BIOS since I have not yet seen the 0x124 BSOD issue - but it does look like the VBIOS was updated.

Your version: 70.15.39.00.04
My version: 70.15.24.00.0c

Just to confirm, did you overclock to 590/1950/1550? And if so, why did you pick those levels in particular?

There is also another BIOS, one that is less official than 205 that I can also post if people want. It contains a fix for freezing and BSODs that people are experiencing separate from the 0x124 BSODs and at more random times. It has not yet been tested to the best of my knowledge, but if anyone wants to try it out - let me know and I'll add a link.

Thanks,

PJPeter


 Posted - 3/23/2010 3:42:25 AM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

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Hi Peter
Seems we never got on site at the same time cause of our locations - UK/CANADA...
I mentioned in my previous post Page3 - Yes I've changed to BIOS 205. Also I posted that link for you to get "Restart Time" programm mainly -the rest just as some staff you might be interesting in,but I've used that staff only for SSD -you are right -that is only for SSD but not for HDD.
So as you can see my system restart time is 41 sec (time counting from the moment you hit the botton "OK" of restart prog - to moment all the icons appeared.What is yours please ,just  interesting?
I've overclocked my GTS 360m to 590/1950/1550 after several tests (including yours 615/2000/1600) on "Dirt2" game & found out that this set up more stable & better performance in game mode - as this is my favorite game I'm often play + think this set doesn't take card to the high edge of it's ability + less hit (as I monitored + t Co). GPU Max temp ingame +76C ( with ANTEC 200 pluged in to USB- my cooler I'm using while gaming).
Also Peter if you remember in my very first post  where I've  mentioned 4th RAM,still planning to get it
Link
Also still thinking to make that hole with mesh but can't find place to buy from for that  spare plastic cover.
Ok have to go to work....... see you around man

 Posted - 3/23/2010 11:49:42 AM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

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Hey maverick,

I hear you man, though sometimes I do have some crazy hours . Yep I know you installed 205 and I did not - thats why I was comparing the VBIOS versions - :) - so it wasn't just the system BIOS that was modified in that release.

I did the Restart Time test, I planned to post it last night but when I tried to run the test at the end of the night my system froze on the Restart - something it's never done before - so when I finally gave up and shut it down and started it up again it came out as 354 seconds . So this morning I did a fresh run and came out with 108 seconds. However, I have a password on mine and it takes a few seconds for that screen to come up and for me to put in the password so that might have some effect as well - and I have antivirus and some of my own apps set for auto start and things have accumulated a bit over a month and a half of daily usage. Still your time is less than half so the SSD certainly does improve things . The only downside is the lowered space - I'm sure SSDs will be the way to go and I'm considering putting one in my Netbook sometime soon - but for my Notebook, as my main computer, I need more space and I think I'm more likely to upgrade to a 1TB 2.5" for $250 than to a SSD less than half the size of the stock 500 GB drive though. One SSDs become affordable and reach storage levels comparable to HDDs - I'm going to be all over them . It's true I've had 5 HDDs crash on me personally over the years (3 of which were replacements of the first one that crashed), but even with an SSD I'd want to make backups weekly incase the laptop gets stolen so it's mostly speed where you get the advantages - and the speed is an awesome thing to behold - but not having enough space to store my music collection, recent pictures, unheard audiobooks and recent movies along with my work. Well, I wish I had a G51J so I could have that second HDD slot to put in an SSD and use that as my boot disk - unfortunately I can't do that...

One thing else though that I found very interesting on that page is RAMDisk. Have you tried that? In that respect we have the advantage over the G51J and it's 2 RAM slots - With the 6 GB of RAM we have lots to spare, especially if we upgrade to 8GB and we can eventually go up to 16GB. The only thing is, it makes things super fast on use - but it takes time to re-establish it on each boot - have you tried it? As fast as an SSD is, RAM is faster (though volatile unfortunately) - but certainly it is a bigger improvement for HDD users - as long as it is not too slow to boot and shut down that is.

Nice temps - I'm really considering getting a cooler sometime, I just hope to get one that isn't loud - maybe one that works via some kind of low powered fan + refrigeration... though moisture could be a factor in that case... hmmm - will have to look around and see what's offered. Would hate to end up with a system that, though cooler, is much louder than before (despite the internal fans not being cycled up).

By the way, did you find that 590/1950/1550 is a sweet spot in terms of performance vs. heat and stability or was 615/2000/1600 actually unstable or with a lowered performance level?

As for the spare plastic cover - see here: http://estore.asus.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=4675&catid=606 - that is the style of the previous G51/J models which had the fake grill over the CPU. The way the cooling works it directs everything right out the side grill and adding more holes may help or hinder, depending where they are. But if it fits, it's $7.99 so it doesn't cost too much. I won't guarantee 100% that's the one you want, but I haven't seen the G51Jx style covers on there yet and from the pics and my knowledge of the systems, it should fit. It often goes out of stock, but it appears they have them there now. Looking into it more, I found this info that might help you - it's for the G51 rather than the J or Jx, but the principle is the same: Link. You already know the warranty is void if you mod the stock plate (especially if you can't find another) - but just repeating it for anyone else reading.

For the RAM, go for it if you want to do it - I probably will someday, though I may wait and get a 4GB module for that last space instead. The link you posted is for "KVR1333D3S9/2G" and I have a "ASU1333D3S9DR8/2G" which aside from the ASUS branding (or possible generic Assembly/OEM branding I suppose) an the DR8 it's identical. Just make sure you are getting a Notebook model rather than Desktop (Sometimes they have exact same part #s except for one digit difference between them) and you're good

Wow that message was longer than I originally intended, but there was so much more to cover - hope it makes sense ,

PJPeter


 Posted - 3/23/2010 4:28:02 PM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

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Hi Peter,
Thanks for that reply man, link for the plastic cover is that what I was looking for - thanks a lot.The idea of getting that is because it will allow airflow from ANTEC 200 go trough that round vent directly to GPU & CPU where all hit is and it will comes out of that side vent, I think it will cool system more effective than with original plastic cover which is definately preventing most of cooling airfow riching the hot parts.The only thing I need to find out if it will fits to our model.I'm doing  all that only cause I don't wanna overhit my baby while gaming !!!!!
Link
"Restart Time" knocked my laptop out -had a BLUE SCREEN at first time(never had that before with my baby),than I started again and it went smoothly, I do appologies I didn't warn you about that-sorry man.I got Kaspersky Internet security 2010 and lots of applicatios on start up + password is well but it still done 41 sec !!!
Obviously - high performance compare to HDD.+ cause SSD (no rotating parts) - no hit + no noise + much less power hungry.Yes you are right it's only 120Gb but that is more than enough to run Windows + lots of programms + 3-4 of 7,5Gb games.
I got that from ebay
Link
and mounted original laptop's 500Gb HDD in it - so that is my pocket size HDD -more than enough for me to keep all my films,video,photos,mp3.....
4th memory RAM.*** I though why does G73JX got 8Gb? Must be a reason - there is 12% increase in laptop's performance with 4th RAM - I red about it in one of the forums with the actual proof but can't find a link (lost it).By the way it's my nature -to get the best of my baby so I will get it soon.Link I've posted that is absolutely the same RAM but if you can get a place for me to buy our original ASU Kigston RAM - let me know please.If we've had a two HDD slots - oh man -I would do RAID0 WITH 2 X SSD- could even faster but unfortunately that is what we've got.
I haven't try RAM disk yet so can't tell you anything....
Regarding 590/1950/1550 - that is optimal GTS 360m's settings for my system while gaming on both "Dirt 2" & latest game "Metro 2033",I've try yours 615/2000/1600 and "Dirt 2" was crashing after about 3-5 minutes gaming. + it's producing less hit ( - 3 to 4 C - which is important is well) + it keeps constant 60fps while on your set up it keeps jumping 39fps to 61fps??? can't really explain that.
I've completed "Battlefield 2" on my GTS settings on all "high" - never had any problems at all.
YES I migh be a crazy lad spending £280 on 120Gb SSD but it really worth it -believe man!!!
Ok have to , see you later man & thanks for your help!!!!

 Posted - 3/24/2010 4:11:06 AM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

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Hi Peter,
I know it's a bit cheeky but would you be able to buy & send plastic cover to UK for me cause estore.asus doesn't send parts outside CANADA?US (only).In case if you'll be able to do it for me- I'll pay you all costs via PayPal straight away ???? Thank you
p.s also that original memory Kingston ASU ...2Gb RAMis well please
Could you please let me know.

 Posted - 3/24/2010 10:22:28 PM  - Show Profile  Edit Message

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Hi Maverick,

I think it might be worth checking this out first - A user notebookreviews posted this

"I have a brand new replacement backplate for sale (in Australia) but will post world wide. if anyone is interested as i sold my G51VX-RX05 before i managed to try the mod."

I don't know the user personally, but they have the backplate already and have no use for it so it might be useful for both of you if you got it from him. You could ask him to post it to eBay for example and do the transaction that way so you can be secure about it and have some recourse if the backplate never arrives or isn't what he says it is and it could be there much more quickly than me ordering from ASUS, waiting to receive it and then shipping it to you. It's worth a look into anyway - his post is here - I tried to get his e-mail, but he has it set not to accept e-mails without prior permission. If you sign up on that site you can send him a Private Message (or you can reply in that same thread).

Either way, let me know how that turns out and we can take it from there .

About the ASU RAM, it might just what I was saying before, that it is OEM branding by Kingston to identify which batches were distributed to whom. It might be identical RAM, just with that as the product id - that sort of thing is pretty common. I can't say for sure though, if you want to be absolutely sure you could try contacting ASUS or Kingston directly just incase.

No problem on the Restart Timer crash - good to know it wasn't just me or something wrong with my system in particular. SSDs are the future certainly - better in just about every way to HDDs - except capacity and price. I'm sure that'll change soon as they become more mainstream and I look forward to getting one in the future .

The reason I wasn't too sad about not getting the two HDD slots (though it would have been awesome) was that you can't do RAID - there is no controller built in - so the only option was a Software based RAID that isn't nearly as good as a true system. I hear you on putting the old drive in a 2.5" enclosure - I actually have 3 of those from the original drives in my previous laptops (an PATA 40GB, PATA 100GB and SATA 250GB) with another 128GB drive that I installed in my brother's desktop with some cardboard under it to make it fit the 3.5" screw holes. All of those drives either were just too small or slow for me (the 40GB was only 4200rpm) or failed and I bought a new drive to replace them while they were in for RMA replacement. Definitely not a fun thing having to move to a new drive because of mechanical failures that happen all too often - SSDs should have alleviate that - till then though I've got a ton of drives to backup too (plus the a 3.5" USB 1TB Lacie) so here's hoping everything keeps spinning till the SSDs reach critical mass and I make one my very own .

PJPeter

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